children at youchilla about's darelyland school piled on to the school bus to head home. the group included 10-year-old jody heavington. 6-year-old larry park and his 8-year-old sister andrea. 9-year-old jennifer brown and her 10-year-old brother jeff. >> jennifer, what did you guys do on the bus? what was it like? did carefree. we talked and sang. we were good. we got to list tonight radio. >> behind the wheel was a local farmer and part-time bus driver. 55-year-old ed ray. >> ed ray was the most wonderful bus driver that you could have. >> irene and lin caucuse lindar sisters were also onboard the school bus that hot dry july afternoon when temperatures can reach 110 degrees. >> i was 12 and a half. linda, julie and stella our youngest she was is in kindergarten. fivion almost six at the time.
>> this is the actual school bus the children were riding in that summer day more than 35 years ago. jody heavington showed her son matthew where she sat on that fateful day. >> i was sitting about right here, matthew. >> under a scorching sun, the school bus rolled past you chowchilla's almond orchard and wheatfield. the bus would periodically stop to drop off a child in front of their home. >> the last kid got off of the bus and all of us kids were singing. we were singing "my momma told you, you better shop around." that is the song we were singing whistling at the happened. >> it was a little after 4:00 p.m. when ray turned the because on to avenue 21 where a white van with its door ajar was parked near the center of the road. >> it looked like somebody had broken down and so edward went to swing the bus around the van.
>> and at that point one of the kidnappers jumped out of the passenger side with a rifle, came up to the driver's side and told edward to open the door. and then the other kidnapper got on to the bus and took over. >> and i do remember seeing one of the kidnappers with pantyhose pulled over his face and holding a gun. >> i was scared immediately. >> ed ray asked him who are you, what is going on here and the guy just told him shut up and move to the back of the bus. >> one of the masked men got behind the wheel as the other held a sawed-off shotgun on his terrified hostages. the children sat driver as their school bus was commandeered. >> at what point did you get really afraid? >> they pulled the bus down into an empty flue bed.
>> fox files located the actual marsh that the bus was driven into about a mile from where it had been seize. >> it was not a smooth drive down. it was through brush. >> eastbound is crying and they are telling us to shut up or we are going to get hurt. shut up. and we are waiting. what is going to happen now and they back up one van and filled that with half of the students and then bring another van to fill up the other half. >> i did not want to get into the back of that van. that i knew. >> their bus hidden from view ed ray and the 26 children were hustled into two hot and windowless vans and driven from the scene. the masked kidnapping that would shock the world and put chowchilla on the map had just begun. when jeff and jennifer brown's mother joan came home from her job at anence company at around 4:30 that afternoon their house
was empty. they are two children were no where to be found. >> the chairs were not in front of the tv and the peanut putter wasn't out. i called the school. nobody knew where the bus was. it just sort of disappeared. >> we received a notification from the watch commander that the school bus disappeared. >> ed baits was the ma dare are a county sheriff and one of the lead investigators on the case. >> had already sent our one patrol car over to the school to find out what in the world happened. >> as word of the bus disappearance quickly spread through the tight knit community the sit den citizenst into a panic. this was before a.b. era of cell he phones, text messages and gps. everyone was puzzled. how could a school bus with 26 children on it vanish. >> to tell a law enforcement agency to be on the lookout in a yellow bus when they were
heading in all directions. >> they tieally found the bus from the airplane. somebody had taken an airplane up and scene the bus was hidden in the bushes. no footprint. no nothing. no blood. no sign of anything bad. something happened to the kids and we knew something was wrong. we got a phone call to come to the courthouse. the fbi was there. we had this big meeting and they talked to us that they didn't know anything. >> and this thing is quite unusual in the fact that there was no known or apparent motive. >> as the news spread around the country and then the world, chowchilla soon found itself at the center of a media frenzy. >> we were immediately called by every state and every government in the world asking what had happened and they were talking about zodiac killers and people fumming♪ check out the bass pro shops fall hunting classic, our biggest hunting event ever. during our bow trade-in sale you can save up to $100
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as the police fbi and locals frantically searched for the missing school kids and their driver the terrified hostages were driven for hours. they had no heat, no water, no lights and no bathroom. >> we are all pretty terrified. >> hot. hot. i mean it was like you couldn't breathe in there and kids had to go to the bagroom. they are car sick and had to urinate on you you. the smell was horrible. >> in one of the two vans, bus driver ed ray remained a father figure throughout the ordeal. >> i know that he held some of the children. >> responsible for all these children and doesn't know what is going on in their van and just tried to keep us comfortable. >> for are 11 grueling hours they had been driven around in the hot cramped seatless vans
in an effort to disorient them. the vans finally pulled to a stop at 3:00 a.m. on friday morning. >> we didn't didn't know where we were. we had no idea. >> where they were was a rock quarry in livermore, california. it was only about two hours north of chowchilla. >> they took edward out first and we just didn't know what was going to happen. and they took us out one at a time. >> they asked our name. >> this is the actual list of names and ages one of the kidnappers scribbled on a jack-in-the-box bag as they pulled the kids from the vans. one-by-one, ed ray and the children were forced to climb down a ladder into a hole in the ground. >> i did not want to go into the hole. >> you are looking at what was waiting for them at the bottom of the ladder. a dark dusty styling hot moving van buried in the quarry. 14 mattresses lay in stacks.
a crudely designed vent lakes system connected to two huge batteries brought in air from above ground. >> it was a hell hole. >> what did it look and smell like? >> after being driven around in vans for 11 or 12 hours with no rest room to walk down a ladder into a buried trailer with crude toilets a blessing. that was the first time that we got food or had any water and that was the first time that i had seen my brother because we had been separated in two separate vans. up to to that point i did not know what had happened to him report other children. >> this was peanut and butter and crackers and boxes of cereal. there may have been bread. >> this was a diagram that illustrates the layout of the sub terrainian trailer. the only source of light was a flash light the kidnappers had given to ed ray. >> he was using that light and then ed ray told us that we all needed to try to get some sleep
and so the flash light was turned off. so we all laid down and i know i slept. >> what kind of monsters would kidnap 2 26 school children and their bus driver and bury them alive? and why did they do this. >> fred wood and james schoenfeld and 22-year-old richard schoenfeld were after one thing. easy money. the kidnappers were from affluent families from the san francisco bay area but their failed dreams of making movies and investing in real estate led them to come up with an incredibly bizarre kidnapping plan to net them $5 million in cash. this is the actual budget they put together. >> they did a lot of preparation. it so happened to frederick woods his father owned a rock quarry among other things. it wasn't unusual for them to go there and use the equipment to dig into the gravel and to get an old van and bury it and
do all the work that was necessary to have it there. >> but why chowchilla? >> they picked chowchilla because they wanted an area that was remote and where there was very little likelihood of them getting apprehended by random patrol cars. >> 24 hours into the or deal they decided remaining passive was no longer an option. >> there was a beam that was holding the ceiling up and one of the boys started getting hyper and started kicking it and kept kicking it and kicking it. and it ended up sliding and the roof started collapsing. and that is the point that we knew we were going to have to do something. >> the older kids and ed ray came up with this plan that if we are going to die, we are going to die trying. >> we said we got to get out or we are going to die. >> they piled mattresses up to get high enough up to the opening that they had left us and tried to move whatever was
blocking the hole that they had put us in. and later we found out that they had put a steel plate on top of the hole and had put some semi batteries on top of that. and then they had built a wooden box and covered it with sand to cam flannel us. camouflage us. >> with the food gone and convinced they were left for dead, ed ray and some of the older boys worked for four hours to free themselves from the make shift tomb. >> despite the steel plate and two industrial batteries on top of this weighing more than 100-pounds each nothing was going stop them from freeing themselves from what surely was to become a mass grave. >> the first thing that had to be done was the sheet metal had to be pushed off to the side and they would let the dirt fall and move the sheet metal more and more dirt falls. >> and the dirt would file up and i would scrape it out from underneath their feet so they weren't tripping on the piles
they were making. >> i would hold the flash light. they would stand on my shoulder for awhile. stand on edward's shoulder for awhile. >> as they moved the steel plate aside and moved the batteries aside. >> which then disconnected our vent lakes system and we were starting to lose oxygen and get weaker and weaker. and it is like please let's make it out. >> as they finally kicked free and got the box loose and the sand came in there was an outpouring of light like from heaven above. >> it was like christmas morning, you you know. >> the older boys and ed ray managed to get out of the kids out of the sweltering trailer. dehydrated, december oriented hungry and scared the group wandered through the darkened quarry. >> everybody was kind of walking out in the open and i remember thinking they could be anywhere we need to hide and we were all walking around and everybody is going everybody be
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ed ray and the school children were returned home to chowchilla in the early morning hours of saturday, july 17, 1976. >> when they got us off the bus i never seen so many people in my entire life. [ applause ] >> me and the boys decided we better start digging or we were going to lose our lives there. we all got home safe. that is my story, i guess.
>> thank you. >> thank you. >> the public was outraged when they heard the story of what had happened to ray and the children during the 30 hours they were missing. but one question lingered. if it was a kidnapping why wasn't a random demand made? the reason was simple. when the media, police and fbi swarmed chowchilla its phone system couldn't handle the calls. >> the kids tried to call to make a demand but couldn't get through. >> unable to make the $5 million ransom demand they had gotten the surprise of their lives when they turned on the tv news on friday night. >> they certainly didn't ex-expect the kids and bus drive driver to escape. >> it wasn't long before the old moving van he bought and buried on his father's property led authorities to fred woods. >> it was found out that fred woods had been arrested on a previous occasion and that led
to his accomplices. >> a wanted bulletin was soon issued for all three. a massive man hunt was launched. rick shown surrendered first and fred was captured in california. jim schoenfeld in california. all three in custody within weeks with bail set at $1 million each. july 1977 although the three plead guilty to 27 counts of kidnapping for ransom the judge ordered them to stand trial to decide if they had in flubbed bodily injury on victims. the kidnappers elected to be tried by the judge. for woods and the schoenfelds the stakes were huge. if it was ruled they had inflicted bodily injury it meant life with no parole. if he decided they had not, parole was a possibility. that fall, after a 7 week trial, the judge ruled they had inflicted bodily harm and
sentenced them to life without parole. but an appeals court reversed the decision in 1980 making all three eligible for parole. >> i didn't like that because mental harm is just as bad sometimes even worse than physical harm. >> little children, five, six, seven, eight years old. we know that some of these kids are messed up emotionally. >> i was in the youth authority for five years for violent behavior. i have used meth the amphetamines. crack. cocaine. pcp. >> do you still have nightmares? >> i haven't had nightmares in years. but i do sleep with a night light and that is not normal for somebody who is in their mid 40s. >> there was more tragedy for jennifer and joan brown. five years after the kidnapping jeff brown was killed at age 15 in an industrial accident. >> i was very upset with god for taking him from me. i did not comprehend how he could have gotten us out of that hell hole and then turned
around just a few years later and taken him from me. >> fox files contacted all three kidnappers and received letters back from two of them. james schoenfeld and fred woods. james schoenfeld stated in his letter "i am and always will be sorry for my actions." >> all three of them should be very, very sorry and they can thank god every day that we are alive that they didn't hurt us. that we didn't smother to death. 14 days after my 13 year anniversary of being free of meth. >> i have found forgiveness for them now. my soul has been bruised battered and crushed by my hatred of the kidnappers and i just collapsed at the base of the cross one day and just asked god to take that hatred from me and i am ready to let
them know that i forgive them and to ask their forgiveness for the years that i spent hating them. >> you could do that? >> i would do that. >> this is from fred woods. >> and he is the devil himself right there. >> he is the devil himself. >> he is. >> i don't have the words to say how sorry i am to everyone who was and continue to be affected by my crime. there is nothing i wouldn't do to take back that day but i guess time can only be turned back in the movies or on tv. >> thank you, mr. woods for your words. does it change anything? >> no. >> lawyer gary represents fred woods. >> basically the over arching standard is would his parole release create an unreasonable risk of danger to society. are it is clear beyond any reasonable dispute that fred woods is no danger to anybody.
it has been 36 years. >> scott handleman is richard schoenfeld's lawyer. >> i think that the reason we have a parole system is because we believe in rehabilitation as a sew sigh tie and believe that people can change. >> they had surprising allies in their fight for release. one is retired judge william newsom who took part in the decision in 1980 that made them eligible for parole. another is david minutier who successfully prosecuted the three. although he declined a request to be independent viewed he did provide copies of letters he wrote to the parole board urging the release of richard schoenfeld. >> it is hard for me to comprehend how after all these years public servants could turn and betray the victims that they were supposed to be protecting. >> although richard schoenfeld was released from prison in june of 2012, fred woods and
james schoenfeld remain behind bars. >> you would not leave how hard my heart is pounding right now what what we are discussing with parole. i feel they he need to serve their terms. it has affected us. each one of us individually in different ways but we are haunted by that. and it is never going to go away. >> the real heros in this case are the bus driver and the older boys and the children thatted manner in which he kept them under control and how they managed to escape and get out and say here we are. >> bus driver ed ray died at age 91 in may of 2012. as a tribute, the bus from that infamous day was brought to ray's funeral. >> ed didn't like to speak of himself as a hero. but you know the very pure definition of a hero would say edward ray.
>> i love him. i'm glad that he made us feel safe in there. >> he was comfort when we needed comfort. he was strength when we needed strength. i believe that ed ray gave us what we needed. >> coming up, see an olympic archer hit the bullseye and next find out who in iran is driving these expensive cars. [ male announcer ] how do you trade? with scottrader streaming quotes, any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertips. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start.
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the revolution was meant to rescue the oppressed, redistribute the wealth. but as most of iran now struggles under sanctions a small group of super rich iranians are living large. >> cars are the biggest status symbol in iran. >> cars sat down with the chairman of the london based british iranian bush association. >> it costs a million dollars and you have to pay the import 100%. somebody driveing that car in tehran has to have paid $2 million. iran is a country of traders and business people for the last 3,000 years. it has been under -- >> for century ares the silk rose supplied the royal dynasty with riches. the last shah and his beautiful wife didn't hesitate to show
off their wealth. in 1979, the iranian revolution drove the monarchy out of the country promising a more equitable society. a new class of iranians moved in benefiting from a sort of krone anyism. despite the squeeze from sanctions in 20 20* 10, iran sold $72 billion worth of oil with much of the profit going to the the elite. >> people who are connected in the last 34 years of the islamic republic's existencessistence. >> an iranian economist based in london. >> we are now seeing houses and villas priced in the region of 5 to 25 u.s. million dollars. people who have six or seven super luxury cars. porsches. >> porsche opened a dealership in tehran and in 2011 sold more cars than in any other middle
eastern countrys. >> people who have no problems driving the expense cars in iran. >> who are the elite iranians buying up multimillion dollars apartments and driving around in fancy cars. how do they manage to accumulate such fantastic wealth? >> what started as a religious movement toppling the shah evolve inside a mafia like organization that imposes business and all elements of iranian society. >> mark wallace is a former ambassador. he is currently ceo of unite the against nuclear iran. >> what you have seen since the revolution is the mu las and religious elites infiltrating the economy. >> there is a select group of elite clerics who have become filthy rich through political connections or corruption. unof the founding fathers is thought to be one of the
richest men in iran. >> he has been a dominant political and religion religious leader in iran. >> religious clergies part of the political have benefited significantly. >> many of the super rich have been link told iran's unusual and complex network of charitable foundations known as boniad. fox news has reported eastbound tensively on the ongoing case of the new york based charity. >> one of the greatest ways to make huge amounts of money is to become an important person. >> born after the iranian revolution the so called charity foundations confiscated assets from the fleeing royal family, existing businesses and ordinary iranians. in many cases powerful clerics used them as their own o personal slush funds. >> importing goods without paying taxes. >> and then the alagard.
>> the 200 to 300 families they are just hugely wealthy. not billionaires yet but a lot of people with multimillions. >> the system is kept in place by the iran fist of iran's revolution guard corps. the so called protectors of the iranian regime. >> the irgy and iranian elite have for many years purchased and sought the finest of western goods. because of petro dollars they had the ability to purchase these goods. >> life is becoming harder for iranian business. though president ahmadinejad denies it much of the world community accuses iran of pursuing nuclear weapons. the treasure which unai and others caused porsche to close its tehran showroom. currently, fiat is under pressure to stop doing business
there. in may, fiat announced it was suspending sales there. >> has it become more difficult for the rich iranians to get their happens on cars or are whatever else they buy? >> it is more difficult. but if you want it they will find a way of getting it to you. >> most often through the united arab emrates just across the gulf from iran. >> the emrates because of very historic trading route has been a key trading partner both legally and illegally for many years. there still is illicit trade n iran and loopholes. >> in 2011 when the german chancellor's retired yet was sold it ended up in the hands of the irania via a ukrainian middleman. >> it is the best time to make money in iran. corruption has become indemmic. >> all this has many average iranians squeak by on the equivalent of $4,000 a year yet
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fox files is at this year's national archery competition in it louisville kentucky where almost 8,000 kids from all over the united states come to see if they have got what it takes to be champion. >> and you never know who is going win. a 6th grader could win this entire thing and walk away with a $10,000 scholarship or are could be a 12th grader. you just never know. the first tournament was 40 kids back in 2002 and now this tournament today will have over 7800 students shoot by the time the competition is over. >> from caveman to cowboys and indians, archery was once an essential tool for is survival. today, the inspiring lead
character of the smash hit the hunger games who is breathing new life into the world's oldest sport. >> shoots the arrow, i was like oh, man, that's awesome. >> i will think it is a unique and very beautiful sport and why not use it. everybody can shotgun, you know, but can you shoot arrow. that is is the thing. >> do you like it? >> yeah. >> fox files sat down with the u.s. olympic champion archer. she trained actress jennifer lawrence to shoot like a pro. >> first think i asked her, have you you shot arrow before? >> like no. absolutely never seen bow and arrow in rereal life and i was like okay. >> what is the general thing you start with. in. >> stance. alignment. drills which you stand properly when holding the bow. it was very, very exciting to see my student actually on the screen. i think she nailed it really
well. >> in. >> it has been a long challenging jurisdictionfy for katuna to become a champion. growing up in a war torn country she dreamed of some day winning olympic gold and today has had more success than she ever could imagine in this country that she now calls home, america. >> i appreciate and respect this country so much because i have been through so much in my life. >> born in the former soviet republic of georgia she competed in the olympic games four times representing three different countries. in 1992 as the ussr disintegrated she competed for their unified team and won the bronze. the olympics in atlanta georgia and sydney australia followed. there she represented the newly independent republic of georgia and for the u.s. in beijing in 2008. at the london olympics she competed for the fifth time and although she failed to medal she did come in forth place in
the individual event. she is the second ranked archer in the u.s. and makes hitting a target 230 feet away look easy even though that is half a football field away. >> what does it take? >> takes a lot of practice. you need to we strong mentally and physical strength. we do start practicing from 8:00 in the morning until 6:00 p.m. and we shoot like 400 arrows or 500 arrows. >> take me through a typical training session for you when you were learning it. >> it was the soviet union so we have like three or four hours after school practice. i was going to the training camps it was 9:00 to 4:00 p.m. to practice shooting for are 500 shots. 600 shots a day. >> as the soviet union collapsed war brought challenges that almost ended her career. >> i had to practice in the
candle light. we had no electricity. one candle light and one by me in my basement and it wasn't going well. it wasn't archery any more. is was just shooting. >> that is intense. >> after '92 that is kind of what i figured out that said armory is over and it made me unhappy but i couldn't do anything. it was a whole lot of politics and it was a war and so much political issues. nobody really care about the sport. i'm very fortunate to qualify for olympics for '96 and my life changed that year. that is why i stay in the u.s. and start new life. new home. new country. >> she became a u.s. citizen in 2007 so she could represent the united states in the beijing olympics. >> how did it feel being named the u.s. flag bearer for the closing ceremony back in 2008? >> that was unbelievable
experience. i didn't get medal but i got chose maybe because i waited so long actually to compete for the u.s. and i can probably never thank enough you them to give me that glory at that closing ceremony. so i'm very, very lucky person. >> you plan to go more than just one more time? >> it is no reason to quit. if i can't shoot gold and if i can't get up there and still be in the top outlet and be visible and win competitions and keep chasing my goals when and when again that is what i'm going to do. >> next, when 8,000 kids compete in the national armory competition in kentucky, who -- archery competition in
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8 miles south of san diego, chula vista california is where kahtuna trains and also only one of three olympic training is centers in the u.s. >> will you give me a lesson? >> absolutely. ready for it? >> she quickly turned me into an archery addict. >> it may be wise to stand aside now. >> okay. and one, two. there you go. you are doing pretty good. look at that. >> i want you to i'm the arrow down low blue and the release. look, you shot gold. >> you're good. >> you're a good teacher. >> thank you. thank you. you get addicted, you know. >> we spoke to members of the road runner archery club. the nonprofit devoted to turning beginner hes into potential olympians. why is it to time consuming?
>> takes a lot of practice because it is a form of art so takes a lot of time to know every liltingmy mov little tin. >> how long have you been doing archery? >> four years. >> what has it done for you? >> changed my life. armory and shooting every day and a meeting people across the country at competitions and taught myself to dedicate my is time into something. >> 3,000 miles away archery also changed the lives of students at this small public elementary school in oxford, new jersey. brad is the p.e. teacher. thanks to a grant from the state rob brought an unusual idea to the school principal. >> i looked at him and said you want to shoot arrows in a public school. i said did i look like i just
dropped off the turn nip truck? there is no way unless you can convince me this is going to be good for kids. >> they have higher standardized test scores and concentrate better and can block out distractions. higher attendance rate in the program. lower discipline problems in the program. it kind of sold itself. >> one of the best decisions i made in six years. >> how many championships? you talked about how everybody knows the kids from new jersey. >> we had six straight state titles which is really unique and pretty phenomenal. >> little did i know then what would become a 14-year-old jenna. >> put your fingers under and then pull back to the corner of your smile. >> very nice. >> jenna and two dozens of her fellow oxford students wento the national tournament in kentucky where they competed against 7800 other archers. getting there took a 13 hour
♪ >> kimberly: the chick-fil-a drama intensifies today with activists staging protest at restaurants across the country two days after hundreds of thousands showed their support for the restaurant. but remember yesterday, when we showed you the guy who bullied the chick-fil-a employee? >> this is my free water? >> it is. >> awesome. >> you know why i'm getting the free water, right? because chick-fil-a is hateful corporation. >> wow you wouldn't -- >> i know, but, i know but the corporation gives money to hate groups. hate groups. i don't believe corporations should be giving money to hate groups. >> i'm -- >> i totally understand. i don't know how you live with yourself and work here. i don't understand it. this is horrible corporation. >> we're here to serve -- >> you deserve better. >> i hope you have a nice day. >> i will. i just did something good. i feel purposeful. thank you very much.
i'm a nice guy by the way and i'm totally heterosexual. not gay in me. >> kimberly: what a mess! that guy, adam smith, just lost his job over that incident. he is a cfo at medical supply manufacturer. you are not a fan. what do you think of the firing? >> greg: how did he get to be a cf? not on his people skills. but he is weighing offers between nbr and current tv. he's got something locked up. he is a victim of tolerance judo. you get so expressed with expressing mock outrage you knock yourself out in your own arrogance. it's a win for people who are sick of phony outrage. i feel bad that he got fireded. you know i'm lying. >> kimberly: no, you don't. why should he have his job in he doesn't deserve to have the position. not a responsible human being. didn't show any maturity or civility whatsoever, beating up on a poor nice